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Huge Difficulty Spike ?

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Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
#1 Posted: 2015.12.31 02:17  |  Edited by: Devis Lionheart
Okay, so I started playing this game yesterday and I've learned most of it's mechanics. I spent multiple hours reading guides on this forum.

My first few matches in "battle academy" were pretty good. I ended my first match with 16 kills and 2 deaths.

When I noticed it was time to go in a real battle outside of "battle academy", I knew I was going to have trouble if I didn't join a squad from what I've read. So I found myself a nice squad of four people including myself and the leader decided that we would go in a domination match. I decided to use my starter dropping suits to make sure I didn't lose anything if things went south.

The good thing is that we won the match.
The bad thing is that I felt like I lost.

My "kdr" had reversed... I ended the match with 2 kills and 16 deaths and only got 500 warpoints.

I'm just... confused. I don't even know what went wrong. Trying to stay with my squad only made me die by some people on top of buildings... Trying to flank made me get rolled over by 3 heavily armored vehicles... Trying to hack the objective got me killed by people with advanced weapons and protos. Trying to stick to cover only made my agony last longer.

The only thing I could do most of the match was dropping drop uplinks near the objective for my teammates and I don't even know if it helped them at all !

I expected things to be hard, but not impossible !

The only thing I could "improve" is my gear, but I don't want to risk wasting cash on weapons or suits I won't even have time to try out before dying.

As I've already said, I'm very confused on what to do next... I like how the game works so much that I'd be ready to create new characters just to replay "battle academy" over and over. I'm too scared to go back into another match just to fail as much as last time.

Any suggestion ? All questions are welcome.
Lacuna.
AII ShaII Perish
#2 Posted: 2015.12.31 04:30
It takes time to get good. You seem to be expecting to be better than people that have been playing for years. You need to learn the maps, learn the suits, and get good. Don't be confused. You're getting killed by skilled players. It's the way the game works.

"They call us “Kilm'ach.” The Lost. We are the demons of their Scriptures. The Beast made real..."

Y.A.M.A.H
#3 Posted: 2015.12.31 12:38  |  Edited by: Radiant Pancake3
F54423 wrote:
It takes time to get good. You seem to be expecting to be better than people that have been playing for years. You need to learn the maps, learn the suits, and get good. Don't be confused. You're getting killed by skilled players. It's the way the game works.

This... Vet knowledge > Gun game or anything else in this game....
Just take me for example... I have about 9 PSNs... all with alts on them... In battle academy, you're just learning the mechanics right? I already know those so I have the upper hand... I also already know the maps and spawn locations... I also know when something say PRO - (Insert Role here) I know to not shoot them... There are sections in these forums with the maps for each game mode... I highly suggest you study them and get yourself all buddy buddy with the maps... I will edit with Link shortly.

EDIT: Ambush OMS.
Dom
Other Ambush Game Mode
Skirmish

Hope this helps... Also, I don't know if you have a Mic or not but... it really helps in this game... as you will see in the GD part of this forum... Teamwork is OP...

"A quantum super computer, calculating for a thousand years, could not even approach the number of fucks I do not give."

Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
#4 Posted: 2015.12.31 17:48  |  Edited by: Devis Lionheart
Thanks everyone for the replies, especially post #5 !

Just seeing the community makes me want to keep going.

I'd love to write everything I learned from this and what I will do next based on your answers,

but I have a game to play.

See you guys on the battleground.
UKheadhunters
#5 Posted: 2016.01.01 01:19
Devis Lionheart wrote:
Okay, so I started playing this game yesterday and I've learned most of it's mechanics. I spent multiple hours reading guides on this forum.

My first few matches in "battle academy" were pretty good. I ended my first match with 16 kills and 2 deaths.

When I noticed it was time to go in a real battle outside of "battle academy", I knew I was going to have trouble if I didn't join a squad from what I've read. So I found myself a nice squad of four people including myself and the leader decided that we would go in a domination match. I decided to use my starter dropping suits to make sure I didn't lose anything if things went south.

The good thing is that we won the match.
The bad thing is that I felt like I lost.

My "kdr" had reversed... I ended the match with 2 kills and 16 deaths and only got 500 warpoints.

I'm just... confused. I don't even know what went wrong. Trying to stay with my squad only made me die by some people on top of buildings... Trying to flank made me get rolled over by 3 heavily armored vehicles... Trying to hack the objective got me killed by people with advanced weapons and protos. Trying to stick to cover only made my agony last longer.

The only thing I could do most of the match was dropping drop uplinks near the objective for my teammates and I don't even know if it helped them at all !

I expected things to be hard, but not impossible !

The only thing I could "improve" is my gear, but I don't want to risk wasting cash on weapons or suits I won't even have time to try out before dying.

As I've already said, I'm very confused on what to do next... I like how the game works so much that I'd be ready to create new characters just to replay "battle academy" over and over. I'm too scared to go back into another match just to fail as much as last time.

Any suggestion ? All questions are welcome.







Just remember that this is a game played by actual humans, eve time you lose a suit, vehicle, etc you have to spend isk to replace it. Just keep trying different methods of fighting and driving, pilot. You will find what you like,

When all the red dots are away, all the blueberries can come out and play...

Nos Nothi
#6 Posted: 2016.01.01 02:15
@ Devis

You have a long road ahead.

This game has RPG elements, that though fun, have created a massive chasm between new players and veterans.

First off, SP is quite a grind, and confers quite an advantage. Even wearing the same gear, a vet likely has a lower profile, more armor, and more shields.

Higher tier suits have higher fitting space, which allows for higher tier modules, which means more HP and more DPS.

THEN you have the warbarge benefits, which take time to develop. This not only gives free experimental weapons, but also applies extra weapon damage.

So you can be of equal skill as a vet, and even have a skill advantage, and get completely owned.

There is supposed to be matchmaking in place to put newer players together, but the player numbers are too low for this to be effective.

I do agree that Dust has many unique characteristics that other shooters don't, and in that it has some value. If anything, I hope that you will be better prepared for the port that we hope is on the way.

Now that you know what you are getting yourself into, a few suggestions:

Get involved with a corp. Preferably one in the Learning Coalition. Dust University is always a great corp for new players to join.

Focus on Core Skills first. Skills like Armor, Shields, and Dampening will apply to all suits no matter which you choose to use, whether it be Starter, BPO, or Officer.

WP will be tougher to come by off the bat. Supporting activities will help at the beginning, placing uplinks, hives, or repairing a heavy. Just don't spend too much SP, and use the Militia versions to get an idea of what works best for your style first. As for kills, you probably won't get very many, but I highly suggest using REs. Even at standard levels, they are deadly, and fun to set traps with. Just be aware they are used in the EQ slot along with the Uplinks, Hives, Repairers etc.

When possible, stick with a squad, even if you aren't technically in it. You will be more effective with others around you, and less of a target yourself.

There are plenty of good videos on Youtube for strategy and everything, just take them with a grain of salt, as a few of the uploaders are dilusional.

Lastly, never, ever ever ever ever ever, join Duna's corp. Ever.

Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.

Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.

DUST University
#7 Posted: 2016.01.02 01:53
I'm glad to see some of the guys on here giving excellent tips. Well done in helping out.

@ Devis:

Much of the advice I could give has already been said by the others: get to know the mechanics, learn map knowledge, upgrade your core Dropsuit Upgrade skills first, and stick together in squads that encourage teamwork.

I'm also glad to see the recommendations to join the new player corps (Thanks guys!) such as our corp, Dust University or even Learning Coalition. As one of the leaders in Dust Uni, I love helping out new players, whether it's lending them an extra hand in battle or some giving some extra advice about the game to help you improve your understanding, skills, and tactics. My friend and CEO of Immortal Guides, Fox Gaiden, has been a great mentor and teacher as well, should you decide to look into their corp. Whichever decision you make, we'll be happy to take you in and help you learn about the game.

Some final things I would like to highlight as well that haven't been touched on:

  • Don't be afraid to ask questions.

  • It goes without saying, but if you don't understand something, speak up! Many of us, like you saw in this thread, are more than willing to help you with your questions. Seeing as you made this thread, I'm confident you'll have no problem in this department.

  • KDR doesn't mean everything.

  • This is simply one of the many stats used to show your performance in a certain aspect of your battle experience. There are other things to take into account such as a supportive role - one which people like me disregard KDR altogether and look directly at how many War Points (WP) we have gained in battle to support our team. But there's another statistic that no other first person shooter has done - having an economy and a currency.

  • Economics on the battlefield.

  • Quote:
    "...This equipment must be purchased from the Marketplace, and will not be returned to you should you lose consciousness or life in battle."

    - Way of the Mercenary trailer

    Loss of gear when you die. From my knowledge, this is the only game where, when you lose a suit of any type that is not a Blueprint Original (BPO), such as your starter suits, you will have to purchase some more after you lost it. It's a very foreign concept to most First Person Shooter players that suddenly become startling reality in which that highly rewarding suit and loadout and gear, actually comes with a high price. If you had managed to blow up one of those Heavily Armored Vehicles (HAVs), you would have watched someone's wallet vaporize on your screen.

    Linking this back to the previous KDR point, sometimes you'll want play specifically to increase your wallet, which means having to make some decisions about your risk/reward management. Sure, it's great to want to run the highest quality gear, while having the best KDR, with little to no ISK loss. But when faced against equal or greater skill/gear applications, that ideal isn't realistic.

    I won't go into detail about it right now, but it will definitely be something to keep in mind when encountering the vast battlefields of New Eden. Concepts such as "losing the battle, but winning the war" and "battle of attrition" are carried out everyday in Dust 514.

    In closing, I would like to, once again, extend an invitation to Dust University or Learning Coalition, as well as joining the chat channel "Learning Coalition", which I also frequent. We'd be happy to have you.

    See you on the battlefield. o7

    See you later Space Cowboy. Bang.

    Systematic Engineers Unlimited
    #8 Posted: 2016.01.04 05:54  |  Edited by: Medical Crash
    Devis Lionheart wrote:
    Okay, so I started playing this game yesterday and I've learned most of it's mechanics. I spent multiple hours reading guides on this forum.

    My first few matches in "battle academy" were pretty good. I ended my first match with 16 kills and 2 deaths.

    When I noticed it was time to go in a real battle outside of "battle academy", I knew I was going to have trouble if I didn't join a squad from what I've read. So I found myself a nice squad of four people including myself and the leader decided that we would go in a domination match. I decided to use my starter dropping suits to make sure I didn't lose anything if things went south.

    The good thing is that we won the match.
    The bad thing is that I felt like I lost.

    My "kdr" had reversed... I ended the match with 2 kills and 16 deaths and only got 500 warpoints.

    I'm just... confused. I don't even know what went wrong. Trying to stay with my squad only made me die by some people on top of buildings... Trying to flank made me get rolled over by 3 heavily armored vehicles... Trying to hack the objective got me killed by people with advanced weapons and protos. Trying to stick to cover only made my agony last longer.

    The only thing I could do most of the match was dropping drop uplinks near the objective for my teammates and I don't even know if it helped them at all !

    I expected things to be hard, but not impossible !

    The only thing I could "improve" is my gear, but I don't want to risk wasting cash on weapons or suits I won't even have time to try out before dying.

    As I've already said, I'm very confused on what to do next... I like how the game works so much that I'd be ready to create new characters just to replay "battle academy" over and over. I'm too scared to go back into another match just to fail as much as last time.

    Any suggestion ? All questions are welcome.


    I'll make it easy for you.

    You need to be in a squad, one man in your squad MUST be scanning for you. That is his only role, if he dies then his scans go with him. He needs to have a Proto Gallente Logi, and must have at least three Proto Flux scanners ( the one that scans for 200 meters). Those scans must never relapse, they must be maintained 24/7. Also pay attention where you position yourselves ( check you back consistently or pay the price of squad death). The better players WILL try to flank you, and your scanners won't work on everyone.

    You want one or two guys with hives and a Six kin repair tool, and a Proto Revive Needle. The Healing Logis must help to fight, they can't only heal. The last person(s?) in your squad needs to be in a killer suit, the Gallente Assault is all the rage right now, their weapons received a very good buff some time ago.

    Also, stay on high ground, don't let your opponents get higher elevation then you if possible.

    Now I realize you don't have the SP to pull this off just yet, but try to fit your suits as close as possible to this ideal.

    I have an example video below to help you out. I'm not any of the people talking in the video.

    Team Red Omen -Super Squad Ambush
    Fatal Absolution
    Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
    #9 Posted: 2016.01.04 08:28
    We've all been there and now for all the new players, things are very difficult. Keep using your starter suits and adapt. Most importantly, try to have fun!

    I have all proto gear, but that doesn't make me good. I still die a lot. I always switch my suits to my needs. I'll use basic suits for fun or the LP suits.

    This game requires much time and patience. Remember to always take breaks, because it is addictive. Peace.
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