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Akidagi and the Dust-EVE link; Changes need to be made.

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fatal absolution
#1 Posted: 2015.10.26 19:33  |  Edited by: Ghost Kaisar
EVE Forum Post Here

So, for those who don't know, THIS happened during the assault on Akidagi. Dust514 mercs had an effect on the overall conquer percentage and managed to invul the iHub mid fight.

Now, I'm personally tickled pink that we Dust mercs had an effect on the EVE world that was totally tangible. However, /u/AnurenDark from Reddit and others voiced some valid complaints about the system in general.

They mentioned that such effects feel like "RNG" due to the nature of how Dust514 FW works. We can't decide on where we want to fight, we just get sent places. However, where we get sent depends on system activity, so we normally end up in that system if enough is going on. The big problem is that we CAN'T CONTROL IT. It's all a matter of whim.

I will be posting something similar to the Dust514 CPM as well. From what I gathered in the thread, everyone was happy that Dust514 got involved with the fight, albeit in a rather frustrating way.

I'm here to ask the CPM to work with CCP on getting FW changed EVE side to let us better co-ordinate with capsuleers in space.

We want to be able to choose to attack or defend where the militia needs help. We want to work together with the militias to be able to systematically push our influence farther.

We want to help our brothers in space, all we need are the tools to do so.

Thank you for your time.

Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

You never just leave Dust. Your story will last forever.

Opus Arcana
#2 Posted: 2015.10.26 21:12  |  Edited by: D4GG3R
This, this, a million times this. Ghost I love you. You have no idea how satisfying it was to see eve players showing a genuine interest in how dust affects them. It was crazy to see how little they know about us as well. Damn you I have hope again :/

Can you post the reddit link please for everyone?

Edit: must read guys :)

"Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix

I watch anime for the boobs

fatal absolution
#3 Posted: 2015.10.26 22:03
D4GG3R wrote:
This, this, a million times this. Ghost I love you. You have no idea how satisfying it was to see eve players showing a genuine interest in how dust affects them. It was crazy to see how little they know about us as well. Damn you I have hope again :/

Can you post the reddit link please for everyone?

Edit: must read guys :)


I was all over those threads at work.

Strike while the iron is hot!

Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

You never just leave Dust. Your story will last forever.

Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
#4 Posted: 2015.10.26 22:07
Since this is about getting a change made EVE side, the CSM (eves player council) will need to be pushing for it maybe.

Maybe someone on the CPM who is heavily involved in FW could have a chat with some CSM space bros on SKYPE or something (paging SGT Kirk Big smile).

One Universe // One War // One Community

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Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
#5 Posted: 2015.10.26 22:16
I can see something like this working:

FW'ers in Eve already pay LP into their ihubs to upgrade their systems (basically make them harder to conquer). These upgrades decay over time which means they need to be topped up.

An extra LP slot could be added to each ihub that has a very fast decay (from max to 0 in 24hrs). The higher the amount of LP in this slot, the higher the chances that your Dusties will fight in your system. Kind of a way for Eve FW'ers to mark certain systems as 'important' in regards to Dust.
KILL-EM-QUICK
Rise Of Legion.
#6 Posted: 2015.10.26 22:33
This is something that I strongly support. Make it happen. Let EVE players in FW issue contracts and us Dust players join. Instead of the broken Search for battle system.

Those contracts would vary from security space from High to Low.

The lower = better the payment but it would be risk. Kinda like a Risk and reward system.

#Isupport

Judge my muscle content then I'll judge you by your Half Marathon time. Never underestimate runners - "Jim"

Simple Minded People Pty. Ltd.
#7 Posted: 2015.10.26 23:04
Dust should have players that are FW liaisons to Eve.

One for each faction, someone nominated through their performance in FW and voted in by the community. The could be given mod power for each factions 'official' chat channel to help keep things organized. They would need to keep up to date with the EVE FW guys so they can give a bit of notice that 'things' (aka an attempted system filp) will be happening at certain times and people should make an effort to log in (you're not a true citizen of New Eden until you've done an alarm clock op Lol).
#8 Posted: 2015.10.27 06:52
Thread, and the suggestions therein, are being monitored.

(Former) CPM2 Representative for Dust 514 and Project Nova

Opus Arcana
#9 Posted: 2015.10.27 21:01  |  Edited by: D4GG3R
JIMvc2 wrote:
This is something that I strongly support. Make it happen. Let EVE players in FW issue contracts and us Dust players join. Instead of the broken Search for battle system.

Those contracts would vary from security space from High to Low.

The lower = better the payment but it would be risk. Kinda like a Risk and reward system.

#Isupport


It doesn't even need to be contracts generated by eve pilots.

A change in battle creation should be made that allows conflicts to only occur in border areas and hotzones in eve fw space (with more attacks generating in areas with greater eve activity, ie: akidagi).

This would allow us to make a difference and actually influence how difficult it is for eve fw militias to conquer systems, rather than just waging war on meaningless planets (the current match creation formula). It would also make orbital bombardment easier on eve pilots, letting them travel short distances rather than flying all over space chasing dust battles as we call them out.
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The only change that needs to occur eve-side is a notification that awares them that battles are taking place and the outcome of said battles to let pilots know of a system vulnerability change (attack on x district successful, +/- 3% to vulnerability).

This would help in the coordination of eve/dust fw assaults, give eve players visual confirmation of our efforts, and provide for easy location of battles for orbital bombardment.
_________________________________________________________

These two changes alone would not only give us dusters a sense of purpose, but it would also create a reason for eve corporations and alliances to have dust divisions or even eve-dust hybrid corporations. It would create meaningful battles that have a real and tangible effect on new eden. I think others would agree when I say that this is the real reason we play dust, to be able to sway the outcome of battle, to actually change something.

"Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix

I watch anime for the boobs

Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
#10 Posted: 2015.10.28 02:01
Support this.

So much more we can do to get Dust closer to what it should of been. This is a perfect case in point: when peeps point out platform limitations, yada, yada, yada......just point them to this thread. Cost of implementing this is minor on both the EVE and DUST sides.

Lots of low hanging fruit, much of it now rotting on the ground, but you could still fill a bushel or two, CCP. If you wanted to.

Spending merc fortune like water keeping these clone tumors under control....

#11 Posted: 2015.10.28 04:57
I don't know what happened, or if anyone remembers, but there WAS a time when dust mercs could choose battles hosted on the starmap on certain planets.

If it was done before it should definitely be re-implemented for FW.

I mean this is IT, THIS is what CCP needs to actually boast the game universe they advertised. And this mechanic had already put in before, we're literally millimeters away from greatness.

CCP are literally only second to EA as the worst company in the world.

fatal absolution
#12 Posted: 2015.10.28 05:14
According to Rattati, CCP and the CPM are talking about FW for sure.

God bless the Biomassed Skype Chat.

Also, he doesn't like being called Ratman.

Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

You never just leave Dust. Your story will last forever.

Opus Arcana
#13 Posted: 2015.10.28 06:03
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
According to Rattati, CCP and the CPM are talking about FW for sure.

God bless the Biomassed Skype Chat.

Also, he doesn't like being called Ratman.

You've got me re-downloading Skype over here. I would love to contribute on the eve forums, but alas, no eve toon.

"Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix

I watch anime for the boobs

Nos Nothi
#14 Posted: 2015.10.28 08:21
Makes sense if there is scope to change the interaction between the two games to have the CPM talking to the CSM.

If there is a suggestion that the EVE devs don't care about the interactions, then the CSM can have a major influence on that if they do.

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't

#15 Posted: 2015.10.28 21:25
I'd argue we should also get some tools on DUST side to better "see" the faction conflict.

EVE already has a great little panel that gives info on the Faction War if you are in it.

For starters there is the over all control bars that show how much of each faction controls things, and what tier their control is at (1 - 5)

I think what DUST needs is a way to get a view (outside of the EoM screen) that shows this level of control, and maybe even the results of the last 5 or so battles. Give players in game tools to look at how the Faction War is going and an indication of how WE are influencing it. A major factor for why EVE is popular is the feeling of being able to impact the larger universe, and DUST players need to feel that same thing with FW.

We already impact the universe, we just need some tools to let us see how.

"Mind Blown" - CCP Rattati

Opus Arcana
#16 Posted: 2015.10.30 02:46
Avallo Kantor wrote:
I'd argue we should also get some tools on DUST side to better "see" the faction conflict.

EVE already has a great little panel that gives info on the Faction War if you are in it.

For starters there is the over all control bars that show how much of each faction controls things, and what tier their control is at (1 - 5)

I think what DUST needs is a way to get a view (outside of the EoM screen) that shows this level of control, and maybe even the results of the last 5 or so battles. Give players in game tools to look at how the Faction War is going and an indication of how WE are influencing it. A major factor for why EVE is popular is the feeling of being able to impact the larger universe, and DUST players need to feel that same thing with FW.

We already impact the universe, we just need some tools to let us see how.



Its true that we have an impact, but when we are fighting battles in a region 100% controlled by caldari with no conflict in sight don't you think our efforts are sort of fruitless?

"Dagger is like a mage, damage him enough and he runs." -Nega Matix

I watch anime for the boobs

#17 Posted: 2015.10.31 23:55
D4GG3R wrote:
JIMvc2 wrote:
This is something that I strongly support. Make it happen. Let EVE players in FW issue contracts and us Dust players join. Instead of the broken Search for battle system.

Those contracts would vary from security space from High to Low.

The lower = better the payment but it would be risk. Kinda like a Risk and reward system.

#Isupport


It doesn't even need to be contracts generated by eve pilots.

A change in battle creation should be made that allows conflicts to only occur in border areas and hotzones in eve fw space (with more attacks generating in areas with greater eve activity, ie: akidagi).

This would allow us to make a difference and actually influence how difficult it is for eve fw militias to conquer systems, rather than just waging war on meaningless planets (the current match creation formula). It would also make orbital bombardment easier on eve pilots, letting them travel short distances rather than flying all over space chasing dust battles as we call them out.
_________________________________________________________

The only change that needs to occur eve-side is a notification that awares them that battles are taking place and the outcome of said battles to let pilots know of a system vulnerability change (attack on x district successful, +/- 3% to vulnerability).

This would help in the coordination of eve/dust fw assaults, give eve players visual confirmation of our efforts, and provide for easy location of battles for orbital bombardment.
_________________________________________________________

These two changes alone would not only give us dusters a sense of purpose, but it would also create a reason for eve corporations and alliances to have dust divisions or even eve-dust hybrid corporations. It would create meaningful battles that have a real and tangible effect on new eden. I think others would agree when I say that this is the real reason we play dust, to be able to sway the outcome of battle, to actually change something.

CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation

The Caldari will reign on high!

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fatal absolution
#18 Posted: 2015.11.01 01:36
Good news everyone!

Re-Re-Re-Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;

You never just leave Dust. Your story will last forever.

Opus Arcana
#19 Posted: 2015.11.24 14:30
Bump

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I watch anime for the boobs

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